Re: [Full-Disclosure] Clear text password exposure in Datakey's tokens and smartcards

[Lee Dilkie <lee_dilkie@xxxxxxxxx>]

Toomas Soome wrote:

> Lionel Ferette wrote:
>
> > Note that this is true for almost all card readers on the market, not 
> > only for Datakey's. Having worked for companies using crypto smart 
> > cards, I have conducted a few risk analysis about that. The 
> > conclusion has always been that if the PIN must be entered from a PC, 
> > and the attacker has means to install software on the system (through 
> > directed viruses, social engineering, etc), the game's over.
> >
> > The only solution against that problem is to have the PIN entered 
> > using a keypad on the reader. Only then does the cost of an attack 
> > raise significantly. But that is opening another can of worms, 
> > because there is (was?) no standard for card readers with attached 
> > pin pad (at the time, PC/SCv2 wasn't finalised - is it?).
>
> at least some cards are supporting des passphrases to implement 
> secured communication channels but I suppose this feature is not that 
> widely in use....  how many card owners are prepared to remember both 
> PIN codes and passphrases...
>
> toomas

Perhaps I'm missing something here. As far as I can tell, no keys 
located on the card were compromised, only the PIN was. Since this is a 
two factor authentication system, possession of the PIN is of little 
value without possession of the token itself.

Am I missing the point here?

regards,

-lee

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